You poor thing SD 7! They said stuff about her, even in your hearing? This is one of the things I worry about: that if I get dfd, they'll tell my husband to shun me except for 'necessary' family matters, and then what people will say about me...I couldn't care what they said about me if he weren't still in. And I hate it how they always assume a dfd person fornicated, or in a married person's case, cheated. I couldn't bear the thought of people spreading rumours that I cheated on my husband. That's why I won't even meet with a guy friend for coffee after work!!! Judgementalism is NOT love!
Julia Orwell
JoinedPosts by Julia Orwell
-
34
JWs Lack of Love and Feelings
by jemba ini have noticed the extreme lack of love in this group of people who preach love, love, love.. we recently had serious floods come through our area and the jws couldnt have cared less.
our 'worldly' friends did sooo much for us though.
raising money, giving gifts, cards, accomodation and so much support and hard work.. i personally think jws are one of the most insensitive, uncaring religions around.. three religious groups were absolutely wonderful during the flooding of our area.
-
-
-
34
JWs Lack of Love and Feelings
by jemba ini have noticed the extreme lack of love in this group of people who preach love, love, love.. we recently had serious floods come through our area and the jws couldnt have cared less.
our 'worldly' friends did sooo much for us though.
raising money, giving gifts, cards, accomodation and so much support and hard work.. i personally think jws are one of the most insensitive, uncaring religions around.. three religious groups were absolutely wonderful during the flooding of our area.
-
-
Julia Orwell
OMG were you in the floods? Bundaberg or thereabouts? Don't tell me if you don't want to 'out' yourself. I live on the Gold Coast by the way.
You make a really good point. Among 'worldly' organisations and workplaces, people take up special collections to help the flood victims. Yet, there's never a collection taken in the KH for the Qld flood victims, like the Macedonians who took up a collection for the famine victims in Jerusalem. If such a collection were taken, I know people would contribute, but the JW leadership does not allow any grassroots action and has instilled a culture of hierarchy in which someone like me wouldn't even think of initiating a collection. The only time I've heard of collections being taken is for elders or pioneers in the local congregation who've been sick and needed operations or expensive treatments.
Whereas the 'world' advertises the need to help the needy and raises funds publically, the JWs only contribute if some announcement from the Branch is read at the Service meeting. Even when the cyclone hit FNQld when I lived up there, and brothers poured in from all over the NQld region, it always went throught the CO and not as a spontaneous outpouring. Mind you, this CO we had in FNQld was a great guy who really did work hard and cared. Of course he dropped dead from a heart attack before his time, because the ones who care always wear out from the hectic pace.
True, spontaneous love has been stripped away from JWs, not because the people don't care, but because love has become institutionalised and now has to go through the 'proper channels'. Human feeling can only now be expressed through the 'proper channels'. Our humanity has been denied us, and that's what I'm discovering.
And when there is love shown to disaster victims, the WTS makes it into a propaganda video to show the suckers how 'loving' the org is, with all these cheesy advertising-type people saying slogans like, "Thanks to being in Jehovah's organisation..." like a commercial for Viagra saying "Thanks to Viagra, my marriage is saved!"
What about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing?
PS I'm a BIIIIIIIIIG fan of Orwell. Unlike most people who are familiar with George Orwell, I've read more than just Animal Farm and 1984! Not to make anyone feel bad for not reading his other titles, but I wear my Orwell-literacy as a badge of pride.
-
40
Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!
by Julia Orwell ini'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!
i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.
i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.
-
-
Julia Orwell
We have the phone hookup, so when my husband had to work meeting nights, the brothers just assumed I was on the phone hookup. Might 'forget' to take my meds tomorrow and have a loop-out just before the meeting.
But I wonder if me being there can help my hubby see the TTATT when I point out the BS...thing is though, when he does the sound system, he's not paying attention anyhow because he's busy with the mikes and mixer. I love when he has the mixer: I sit in the 'wife' chair behind the literature counter and can squirm as much as I like. I still have to take a valium when I get home though because of all the angst the meeting stirs up in my head.
-
98
It,s time to fight back, this is getting out of hand.
by jam inany suggestions to bring a end to the attacks on us who have.
left the borg and continuing efforts to alienate our love one still.
in the borg.. how about this, we all send letters to hq, flood the mail room with.
-
-
Julia Orwell
Sign me up friends! I'm still in relatively good standing and haven't suffered as you have, but I see what a nasty cult this is and is becoming.
They're really tightening up on the dfd ones because they know people talk to dfd family. Even elders do because their human instinct tells them it's wrong to let your daughter and grandkids starve because she made a bad decision once!
-
53
How many of us have Higher Learning, and still mop floors
by Quarterback insomeone who works at a college locally, pointed out to me that one of their scholar students was stocking shelves at a dollar store.. with this recession, are you finding that higher learning is wasting time?
.
i know that it's necessary to become a dr. or a lawyer, but, with the shortage of work, even teachers are working as secretarys.. what do you think?.
-
-
Julia Orwell
Heck no it's no waste of time here in Australia. I got a degree in Education, worked as a teacher for a couple of years, left teaching and became an office worker, lost my office job due to cutbacks, and now because I have my education degree I could get into a casual teaching job that pays heaps. If I hadn't had my degree, I'd be trying to find some boring office job or working for minimum wage in a shop, if I got a job at all!
With education, if you're thinking of studying, try and think of areas where you'll always get work. For instance, a trade qual in bakery will see you always get work because people will always eat bread. Ditto teaching: kids will always need education; nurses; people will always get sick- anything medical. If you do your course in something like philology, then you'll be stacking shelves for a living.
-
40
Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!
by Julia Orwell ini'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!
i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.
i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.
-
-
Julia Orwell
Ha ha ha totally!!!! I should do that, but I'm sure they'd blame me straight away! With no evidence of course: it's just that they have already grilled me as to whether or not I think the GB is directed by Jesus/Jehovah. I refused to answer. They'll come for me for sure if something like that turns up in the box. Some in the congregation have already run to the elders (note: not applying scripture and coming to me first) about some things I 'liked' on my Facebook page, and some cultish quotes from the WT I posted, accusing me of apostasy.
I was actually thinking of covertly putting JWfacts' pamphlet in some letterboxes under the cover of darkness....mwa ha ha! Insidious apostate! Gangrenous infection!
-
40
Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!
by Julia Orwell ini'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!
i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.
i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.
-
-
Julia Orwell
GREAT suggestions guys! I'll try as many of them as I can. The 007 was a good one and I thought this could be me, but I squirm and tsk so much it makes it hard. I get distracted from reading my KJV by all the nonsense. The sociologist approach might be a good one. Anthropology. I like people-watching. I might try that one, but I must guard my sanity. It's been long hard battle to keep it, going on for years and years and doctor to doctor and medication to medication.
Speaking of meds, the congregation overseer, who I know is on meds and suffers from pretty bad anxiety problems, came up to me and asked me all about my medication; whether I've changed it, gone to a different dosage, and what not. He was pretty agitated himself, and said his meds weren't working anymore. I told him he needs to have a holiday! Well, he didn't talk long because he was off to the back room to go through the questions with a couple of baptism candidates.
When I saw those sweet kids going in with them, I so felt like taking them aside and telling them not to do it, to check out JWfacts first, but that really would get me dfd!!
Meeting again tomorrow arvo. I'll try to note something really funny for you all, or create a humorous narrative for your entertainment!
love to all
Jules
-
40
Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!
by Julia Orwell ini'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!
i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.
i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.
-
-
Julia Orwell
Yes Punk, I've been squirming over all the stupidity being said but I absolutely need to see the funny side of it all! Taken some dumb quotes already like, 'are we to get involved with helping the sick and the needy? Because of the urgency of the harvest work and time is short so we only have time to preach."
Gee, I thought Jesus healed the sick and helped the needy.
This is just one thing spouted which makes me sick! Not including the housewife illustration. Sitting here at the hall as I am now, chatting on an 'apostate' site makes me feel better.
The Cong overseer gave me a death stare as he saw me during the song so I'm probably gonna be in some sorta trouble soon...
-
51
New Girl
by Gypsy Sam inhope everyone is having a lovely day.
i ended up here after spending the past few months researching jw, without the blinders on.
i was a born-in, baptized as a teen, pioneered out of high school for a couple years (turning down a 4 year scholarship).
-
-
Julia Orwell
Throw out the bathwater, but keep the baby! Baby Jesus that is...the WTS is a sham, but Jesus isn't and I'm sure he's mad as hell at the WTS.
Welcome and enjoy the board. I'm a newbie myself. It's a difficult journey, one that requires commitment and resilience, but we'll get there!
-
40
Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!
by Julia Orwell ini'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!
i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.
i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.
-
-
Julia Orwell
I'm only going to the meeting because of my husband! I was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and I know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting. I also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs. It doesn't work! It just made me more stubborn for the WT religion.
And my husband, he believes Jehovah's spirit is with our congregation, and he believes as a Christian he must go to Christian gatherings, and since JWs were the group which approached him he got baptised JW and figures it's the place to go. Meanwhile I've woken up after years of tossing and turning in the WTnight, and my day has dawned and going to these MEETINGS makes me physically ill!
I know I could just end it by getting DFd for apostasy, but I want my husband to wake up to them as I have, not become a martyr to his 'apostate' wife and be an object of pity in the congregation. This is freakin' doin' my head in!!! I just want to worship in spirit and truth, and that damn Watchtower blocks the spirit and opposes the truth.
Thanks for reading my rant! Please feel free to add your own rant! Solidarity in our suffering!